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buffalogal

75 Posts

Posted - October 29 2017 :  18:02:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The Bob Ivory was woefully thinly attended today. Now in it's 39th edition, there were barely 100 finishers. What a pity. Any speculation as to what happened to this great historic race? I know the weather was crappy, which might have played into it but I also wonder if the increased distance from 5K to 8K scared off a large number. There are so many 5Ks and so many fewer 8ks, I would have thought it was an advantage. Good race, though. Nice flat course, exciting finish on the track, good cause ....

Jeff

635 Posts

Posted - October 30 2017 :  05:55:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I too am surprised and disappointed in the dramatic participation drop-off. Bob Ivory was a much beloved and iconic figure to all of us. The event is a Buffalo area "must run" race. This was the first Bob Ivory Run event since Bob's passing. I expected a huge turnout.

The 8K distance is not a good explanation for the drop-off. 8K is hugely popular in Buffalo - consider the thousands of runners that turn-out every year for the Shamrock Run 8K and the YMCA Turkey Trot 8K. The Bob Ivory Run was an 8K last year too and there were nearly twice as many runners as this year.

Here's what I observed that was different (and therefore potentially, but not necessarily, causative):

(1) There was a new person serving as race director replacing a thoughtful and experienced race director.

(2) The event inexplicably scheduled the race a week or two earlier than usual - and they ignored the fact that another race was already using that day and exact same start time. Its very disappointing that the published race calendar was not respected. Maybe they had no choice.

The other race was small too, but perhaps nearly every runner and the entire staff of volunteers and organizers would probably have run Bob Ivory if not for the inexplicable conflict. That would have added about 100 runners to Bob Ivory this year (myself included).

(3) They opted to squander money by going to a good chip timer. I prefer chip timing too, but the reality is that this race had been successfully timed and scored by manual timers for most of its 39 year history. We really do need chips for higher density races. But for a smaller race stretched over a longer distance the finisher density decreases and there is less need for the chip. I viewed the manual "tag board" scoring as part of the tradition.

(4) It was hard to register for the 2017 race. They used an odd non-standard, not user-friendly, on-line reg system. I never did find a paper registration form for 2017. We still have a lot of runners who will not use on-line registration for security reasons and the paper form is a great source of race info even when we opt to register on-line.

BuffaloRunners has tracked this event since 2001. This was by far the smallest finisher field in that time span. The largest Bob Ivory Run was in 2010 when we had 355 finishers.

Jeff
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millar1987

143 Posts

Posted - October 30 2017 :  06:27:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did a 60-something really run 5:17 miles to win the race?
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millar1987

143 Posts

Posted - October 30 2017 :  06:30:40  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ah, I see he is actually 22 years old. The race results show a 60-64 age group.

https://runscore.runsignup.com/Race/Results/?raceId=9154&customResultsPageId=17431
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Jeff

635 Posts

Posted - October 30 2017 :  06:56:28  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Yikes! Thanks Millar1987. Results corrected for the winner's age group...

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SonOfRoxy

476 Posts

Posted - October 30 2017 :  07:53:35  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Do they still have baked goods as awards? That was always a draw for me and it was considered easy ROY points.
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roadrookie19

86 Posts

Posted - October 30 2017 :  08:15:11  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No, Dave! A/G awards were certificates this year.. I wonder if those are tasty #128513;#128513;#128513;
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Occhino

907 Posts

Posted - October 31 2017 :  07:53:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
To many decent races on that weekend. The day's of receiving a paper application in the mail are long gone, to bad it always helped persuade me to attend.
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buffalogal

75 Posts

Posted - October 31 2017 :  11:19:21  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I hope the race director reads the thread. Maybe they can make some changes next year for the 40th edition, including going back to the original date (EVL sure attracts a huge number of runners).

I agree, I like getting a paper application in the mail. It's a good reminder. I got a paper app from maybe 6 races this year. I entered three of them and would have entered all of them if not for schedule conflicts.
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jeanne

233 Posts

Posted - November 03 2017 :  11:04:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I did receive a paper app. in the mail. This is definitely my way of registering.
The fact that it is no longer a ROY race may have something to do with the numbers. Had I been healthy enough to run an 8K (still coming back with a long way to go), I would have run it in a heart beat!

jeanne
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