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ref48

15 Posts

Posted - November 24 2012 :  20:26:15  Show Profile
According to their website, the cost of their 2013 race is $30.00 for pre-registration, $35.00 for race day registration. A 5K race should never be this expensive. As an added note - they charge for beer. Has our economy improved to provide such an increase. For the runners who run several races per month, this could be a problem. This is an egregious fee for a 5K race.

JF

2689 Posts

Posted - November 25 2012 :  09:36:57  Show Profile
What's even more concerning is the out-of-whack tiered pricing. There is a race in Albany next week that has the standard $20 pre. The price then increases to $25 and then $30 on race day. The problem is that the $20 pre required one to register by November 1. This is for a December 1 race!

One word: silly.

XXIV
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Roosterm

228 Posts

Posted - November 25 2012 :  11:50:54  Show Profile
There is another option to save money. Just pay the party entrance fee of 10 dollars and run the course prior to the start of the race. What is the advantage of paying the additional 20 dollars for? A sweatshirt and your name posted on the results.

Its a great charity and I really do not mind the 30 dollar entry fee. Just don't tell me that only 5% of my entry fee goes towards Cradle Beach.

Just out of curiosity, are police departments/city councils charging for races?

Mark
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Stosh

67 Posts

Posted - November 25 2012 :  17:50:57  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Roosterm



Just out of curiosity, are police departments/city councils charging for races?

Mark



The Amherst town supervisor proposed in his budget that there would be a fee for police for events. I am not sure if the town board kept that proposal in the adopted budget or not. I'd search for an article on the Buffalo News website but I don't have a subscription.

It was rumored that a December race would be postponed/canceled because of the fee, but it's still listed in the calendar. If the fee did go through it probably starts Jan. 1.
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Stosh

67 Posts

Posted - November 25 2012 :  18:04:03  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Roosterm

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Just out of curiosity, are police departments/city councils charging for races?

Mark



It did pass by the board. Not good news.

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121023/CITYANDREGION/121029717
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Npage148

152 Posts

Posted - November 26 2012 :  11:22:41  Show Profile
The penguin run was never that impressive of a race to warrant the premium race entry. The course is eh, the sweatshirts go right to AmVets, parking is a headache, and the post race party overcrowding rivals the turkey trot. Really the only thing it has going for it is that it's held in a quiet month and it's certified.

To add insult to injury, Cradle Beach spams me constantly
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Outside Counsel

213 Posts

Posted - November 26 2012 :  12:42:46  Show Profile
If the race is meh, why is the post-race party so crowded? Is this like the Yogi Berra quote?

$30 bucks for a 5k is nuts, and I don't care what the cause is. I'll tell you what, though-- if race organizers were more transparent about where the money goes I might be a bit more inclined to enter some races that I pass by now.
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millar1987

143 Posts

Posted - November 26 2012 :  15:25:06  Show Profile
That's funny. Yogi Berra on why he no longer went to Ruggeri's, a St. Louis restaurant: "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."
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DMRuns85

564 Posts

Posted - November 27 2012 :  12:03:22  Show Profile
I'll start off saying that I think $30 pre and $35 post entry is pretty outrageous for a local, not overly competitive 5k.

That being said I do kind of see why entries fees in general are increasing and it's as simple as the costs are increasing. From attempting to RD a very small race of my own this past summer I can tell you that costs are ridiculous, even for something small. Most people go for something to do and want all the fancy shirts and post-race stuff and awards. This is where the majority of the cost comes from. Add in police and timing services, supplies, etc. and you will quickly see how expensive a race really can be. Now, a race the size of the Penguin run should surely have enough entrants where a $20-25 entry fee should suffice, though to me this is still even too high...

I actually really enjoy the course, mostly because it is run through the neighborhood I grew up in. It is nice since Buffalo is pancake flat and it is hard to find a course without rolling or major hills around Rochester and Syracuse. I brought 8 of my high school athletes from Fairport last winter to use as a fast race before the championship races, unfortunately the weather was God awful, but them and their parents thought it was a great event and they loved the course.

All-in-all I will likely be around for this years event, despite the higher cost.

Got endorphins?
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JF

2689 Posts

Posted - November 27 2012 :  22:12:51  Show Profile
It's the disparity that drives me nuts. There is a 5K in Kingston on December 9. If you pre-register by December 3, the cost is $15 and that includes a long sleeve shirt. If you register on race day, the cost is STILL just $15. And, the race is the Kingston YMCA, not known for cheap entry fees.

That's what I don't get----how one race charges $30, another half that.

But, I guess it forces one to budget. As much as I would like to run a few races per month, the entry fees allow for only one,maybe two.

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82sac

28 Posts

Posted - November 28 2012 :  09:22:00  Show Profile
The fee is too high, in my opinion. I've run it every year, but will not be running this race in 2013.
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82sac

28 Posts

Posted - November 28 2012 :  09:36:00  Show Profile
Every year since 2005.
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BBailey182

107 Posts

Posted - December 01 2012 :  22:10:18  Show Profile
I've been tinkering with the numbers here. This is an interesting case, because any January race certainly has to worry about the weather affecting turnout.

I went back six years, and the Penguin Run set a high in 2012 for finishers at 610. Before that, the numbers were 567 in 2011, 594 in 2010, 457 in 2009, 604 in 2008 and 429 in 2007.

Let's do a couple of calculations for fun. We know the Penguin Race has been popular to the point where the postrace party is very, very crowded. So how far can the numbers go down (and create more space) and have the race still earn the same amount of money if you raise the price five dollars?

If all 610 finishers paid $25 (balance race-day applications with sponsor freebees for the sake of argument), that would take in $15,250. Divide that by 30, and you get about 508 runners. (My guess is that you could increase the numbers to include people who enter and don't run in addition to raceday registrants, and the figures wouldn't change that much.)

So if you lose less than 100 runners, you take in more money. The $25 for a 5K race was on the high side this year. A $30 fee would be the highest in town. That sort of increase strikes me as a big gamble -- and I'd bet ref48's reaction would not be a lone one.

By the way, I have been hearing more and more about increased fees for police protection around all of Western New York. I would guess this will affect all entry fees in the near future.
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Bob K.

564 Posts

Posted - December 01 2012 :  23:32:54  Show Profile
I'm pretty sure for races run in Buffalo you have to pay for a parade permit which includes police presence. Not sure of the cost.
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autisticfather

320 Posts

Posted - December 12 2012 :  22:45:37  Show Profile
1)How much does a race permit in Amherst currently cost? 2) how much is it being increased to ? 3)How much do other communities charge ?
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Admin

241 Posts

Posted - December 13 2012 :  01:05:09  Show Profile
Jim, it gets a bit complicated. I’m just learning about this 2nd hand… My understanding is that currently, there is no concept of “race permit” in Amherst. Events are encouraged to register with the town, but, until now, that has not been enforced. That will change.

Starting January 1 2013 the Town wants any event “that consumes over $1,000” in police services to pay for some or all of those services. That’s not a set and easily discernable fee. A third party, perhaps the police, will have to generate a figure tailored for each event. Our town supervisor calls this new undefined and variable fee “reimbursement".

But its not without serious problems. My hypothetical 5K race requires police coverage from a handful of officers for from 15 to 90 minutes each. But the police union has long ago won a concession such that if any overtime is worked the officer will be paid a minimum of 4 hours. That labor relations concession becomes my expense. Ouch!

Case in point, the race director of the little Snowball 5K was initially told she needed to pony up $5,000 to hold her event in Amherst last weekend. She said she’d have no choice but to cancel and have her future events leave the Town. The race was held only after it was clarified the new "fee" isnt in effect until January.

But here’s the big problem: The Snowball Run 5K had 105 finishers. The pre-reg entry fee is $20. Do the math. That’s this event’s revenue. Can this race exist in tomorrow's Amherst?

The supervisor’s simplistic logic is to have the “sponsors” pay. What sponsors? Real big events can get ‘em. Most little events will not generate much sponsor attention.

I don’t believe the Town Board has a good appreciation of this concept.

So, can I hire my own traffic control? I don’t advocate that. That is a sticky wicket. If not, then we’ve got a problem if this new plan goes forward in its current amorphous form. The cost is prohibitive and its for something we thought our generous taxes already covered.
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autisticfather

320 Posts

Posted - December 13 2012 :  10:29:03  Show Profile
Thanks Jeff, I just hope that other municipalities don`t start copying this.
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