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Outside Counsel

213 Posts

Posted - August 31 2012 :  14:58:11  Show Profile
There was a piece in a recent issue of The New Yorker about a guy who claims to have run multiple marathons that can't be documented. Now it looks like Paul Ryan may be claiming to have a sub-3 hour PR in a marathon that also can't be documented. (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/08/31/paul_ryan_s
_marathon_history_runners_world_wonders_aloud_whether_the_
vp_candidate_was_as_fast_as_he_claims_.html)

To be bipartisan about it, apparently John Kerry said that he's run the Boston Marathon, and there doesn't seem to be any documentation of that either.

Lying about running a marathon seems like the kind of thing only someone who lies automatically and compulsively would do. I suppose it doesn't rise to the level of lying about military service, but it is still disgraceful. Does this go on a lot? Have any Forum runners encountered this? It shouldn't be hard to catch someone out-- if you do is it worth calling the liar out?

82sac

28 Posts

Posted - August 31 2012 :  15:40:10  Show Profile
Paul Ryan telling a lie. Just like every other day.

On the front page today of the Buffalo News.

http://www.buffalorunners.com/br_forum2/post.asp?method=Reply&TOPIC_ID=3987&FORUM_ID=9
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82sac

28 Posts

Posted - August 31 2012 :  15:42:52  Show Profile
OOPS! Here's the link

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/politics/article1032040.ece
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JR

237 Posts

Posted - August 31 2012 :  21:45:27  Show Profile
How about we keep the politics off this forum. And by the way, the news article was total biased BS.
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Derek NF

175 Posts

Posted - September 01 2012 :  12:06:57  Show Profile
Not so fast... Literally.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/01/paul-ryan-marathon-time_n_1848715.html?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D200127
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millar1987

143 Posts

Posted - September 01 2012 :  13:29:43  Show Profile
Calling a runner out for claiming to have run a 2:50 something marathon while in actuality running 4:01 is fair game. Not sure if it says anything about his politics but it certainly tells you that he couldn't care less about running.
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Bob K.

564 Posts

Posted - September 01 2012 :  19:26:52  Show Profile
If I ran a marathon slow enough can I lie and say I didn't run it?
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jeanne

233 Posts

Posted - September 01 2012 :  21:09:17  Show Profile
Maybe is The New York Times was fair and balanced, we would not be discussing a marathon time,but instead the issues facing this country.
And, I agree, this is not a political forum. Can we please just stick to issues regarding the sport we all love? That is what it's about, isn't it? Love of the sport?

jeanne
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Jan J.

315 Posts

Posted - September 02 2012 :  00:02:50  Show Profile
Ryan lied outrageously about his marathon performance.

What a pure phony!

Jan J.
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Ericws

53 Posts

Posted - September 02 2012 :  16:11:42  Show Profile
I don't understand why he would lie about something like that. Doesn't matter if he's a Democrat or a Republican, he's a goofball who must have serious problems with an inferiority complex.
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Outside Counsel

213 Posts

Posted - September 03 2012 :  10:51:00  Show Profile
The point is not about politics, per se, which is why I included other examples in my initial post. My question is what do we do when we are confronted with this sort of pointless lying? Is is as bad as outright cheating-- cutting a course, e.g.? Cheating is a kind of lie, after all.

A few years back we had a discussion on this forum about a well-known local runner, who, as I recall, cut the Subaru 4 Mile Chase. I think we can all agree that being honest and competing within the rules are fundamental in our sport, and I think the fact that we believe that makes runners and athletes dependable, worthwhile members of society. How should we treat others who try to cloak themselves with our credential when they haven't earned it?
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Jan J.

315 Posts

Posted - September 03 2012 :  12:22:07  Show Profile
By calling everyone of them out on their cheating, and/or lying, in every instance, shunning them, and then not forgetting their personal dishonesty, ever, in the future.

Jan J.
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techshlepy

709 Posts

Posted - September 03 2012 :  15:19:36  Show Profile


http://www.usc.edu/uscnews/stories/11655.html
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lkizz

1001 Posts

Posted - September 03 2012 :  15:44:24  Show Profile
Dang it Tech, why did you post that, I was just about ready to move to Jan's Gated Community as soon as I got my pedestal polished up.
So you mean people don't choose to be liars?

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Jan J.

315 Posts

Posted - September 03 2012 :  16:43:03  Show Profile
Wired, smired - who cares? They still lied.

@lkizz: you don't make it easy, do you? If almost anyone else had made that 'gated community' crack, I would have easily been able to joke that they would be far more likely to move to a gated community then me, but, with 'laid-back' Lloyd I might just possibly be telling a lie...

Jan J.
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JF

2688 Posts

Posted - September 03 2012 :  17:54:35  Show Profile
quote:
Maybe is The New York Times was fair and balanced, we would not be discussing a marathon time,but instead the issues facing this country.
And, I agree, this is not a political forum. Can we please just stick to issues regarding the sport we all love? That is what it's about, isn't it? Love of the sport?


It is not a political forum, but this is not a political issue---the man lied about his running prowess, plain and simple.

None of these polticos can be trusted, most lie and believe it or not, it's not their fault; they're part of a machine that is whay beyond their control.



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jeanne

233 Posts

Posted - September 04 2012 :  17:46:48  Show Profile
Is this really a 'lie'? I wouldn't go there. It is like the pot calling the kettle black.


jeanne
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