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Admin
USA
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 Posted - May 02 2012 : 14:27:53
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Good News! We are very fortunate to have received printed results from the 1975 YMCA Turkey Trot!
We owe thanks to long time local runner JOHN BELL. John has offered to try to forward more from his big collection of good "running stuff". He's run a lot races!
These results are in great shape too, complete with original typos. They've been scanned and corrected as best we can and posted here:
http://buffalorunners.com/results/197x/tt75.htm
We now have thousands of old races posted. The historic results can be found here:
http://buffalorunners.com/Prior_years_grid.asp
Can anyone remember if the Turkey Trot was a 5-Mile in 1975 and not yet an 8K? And is 1975 TT finisher "MARY RYERSON" really "MARK RYERSON"? Or does John have a sister?
Only 6% of the finishers were female in the 1975 TT. For contrast, last weekend at the Buffalo Undy 5000 5K over 74% of the finishers were female.
Things have changed!
JJ
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Baybeach68
USA
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Posted - May 02 2012 : 14:37:50
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| I love how the age group results are broken into Women Girls and Women Women. Haha that is awesome that you have all this history! |
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JR
USA
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Posted - May 04 2012 : 14:34:55
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It's Mark, not Mary. He wasn't in very good shape at that point.
I do not even remember running that race so was surprised to see my name there. I always thought my first TT was in 78. I should be listed as part of UBTC, not USTC.
A lot of great runners in that race. I wonder what the conditions were. It definitely was not yet an 8K. Even in 78, it was listed as 5 miles. |
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Admin
USA
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Posted - May 04 2012 : 17:16:18
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Thanks John. Results updated.
JJ
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plpjap
USA
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Posted - May 04 2012 : 22:53:16
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wow...thanks for putting these vintage races up...some of the names bring back a lot of fond memories. It would be interesting to see how many are still active. Here's one -
from a 10K in 1978 - 34. Paul Policella Silver Creek NY 0:34:55 0:05:37 5/M25-29 34/M
from a 5k April 14, 2012 - 29. Paul Policella 0:23:19 0:07:30 1/M60-64 24/M 0:18:16 70.64% |
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jimnyc75
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Posted - May 05 2012 : 10:15:33
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Jeff,
I worked for the Y in 1975. It was 5 miles
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plpjap
USA
46 Posts |
Posted - May 05 2012 : 10:37:49
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Here's another one from the 1970's still running outstanding times -
From a 10K in 1979 - 61. Thomas Meka 0:37:54 0:06:06 9/M26-29 60/M
From a 5K April 28, 2012 - 40. Tom Meka 0:22:26 0:07:13 2/M60-64 30/M 0:18:03 71.50% 308 |
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JF
USA
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Posted - May 06 2012 : 10:34:10
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I love how clubs were used instead of towns in some of these results. Interesting.
As for the Eldredge Bicycle Club, wasn't that a handicapped race where the slower runners started first, the faster later. Please clear that up if you can.
My business law teacher in high school used to talk fondly about that race---he was a jogger who used to smoke cigs as well.
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Don Mitchell
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Posted - May 06 2012 : 13:27:09
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Woo hoo. Turkey Trot 1975 was my first race ever.
I was nervous. What was this road racing thing all about? What if I couldn't finish, what then? Would I be last?
Right now I'd do well to come within 15 minutes of that time.
I remember being told that it was 5 miles. I don't think the 8K thing happened until much later. I measured it (later) but I don't have the paperwork anymore.
Thanks for finding this stuff, Jeff.
You may know that Sully has piles of old results. |
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JR
USA
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 13:05:54
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JF, yes the Eldredge Bicycle Club race was a handicap race. I had an old mimeograph copy of the results from one year and they are posted on this site.
BTW, the TT was also a handicap race. I don't know exactly what year it changed from that format but it was sometime in the late 60s/early 70s.
The club format may be a vestige of the days when you had to join the AAU to run in some races. Some of the forum resident historians may have a better take on that. I know that while at UB, we had the UB Track Club set up so we could race out-of-season. |
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lkizz
USA
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 14:17:01
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| What a great idea for some enterprising Race Director. But how to create the handicap? Based on past races? That would be a fun race and would allow all those runners like me in the back of the pack to taste some victory!! |
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plpjap
USA
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 16:28:26
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Back in the 1970's, a few of us runners from Chautauqua County formed a small running club to compete in races....Bob Carrol, Willie and Hector Bauza, and others. I do recall having to pay yearly dues to the AAU during that time. None of us ever questioned it. We just assumed it was one of the requirements. Maybe it was just the running clubs that were forced to join the AAU. It probably was a way for them to control some of the races while obtaining revenue. It was Steve Prefontaine who really battled with the AAU in those days. He was the United States top distance runner so he had some leverage. It's a shame he died so young and at his peak. Here is a small passage on his battles with the AAU that I just google searched-
Steve Prefontaine's fights against the Amateur Athletic Union (AAU) were eventually taken up by his contemporaries, who, inspired by his words, ultimately revolutionized amateur athletics in America. During the 1970s, the AAU controlled track and field competition as well as other sports including wrestling and swimming; they determined which athletes could compete against one another and under what conditions. Runners who wanted to arrange their own opportunities to compete against the best felt powerless. Steve Prefontaine, with his relentless drive and will, fought doggedly against the disempowerment of runners and other AAU athletes.
Olympic medalist in swimming and television sports commentator Donna De Verona was a friend of Pre's. "Pre was a firebrand, someone who embodied what's right about sport," recalls De Verona. "He was instrumental in helping the cause of athletes' rights and, because of his outspokenness, he was a lightning rod for the tensions between the AAU and amateur athletes. Others of us who were trying to change AAU regulation were already past our competitive careers, but Pre was still vulnerable to AAU action against him. He took risks for what he believed in and was willing to deal with the retribution."
"The ramifications of the AAU went beyond the fact that they were just interfering with Pre's performance. It went to the heart of what's just and what's unjust, because no matter how fiercely competitive Pre was, he and his fellow runners loved to race because it was fair. |
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JVBell
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 16:31:51
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1975 was my first trot as well. Longest run to that point had been three miles. The day was miserable with a strong headwind. But it got me hooked and I ran my first marathon (Skylon) 11 months later.
The EBC handicap race was held the Sunday before Thanksgiving. One of the officers from the forerunner of USAT&F did the handicapping. You had to list three of your recent race result on the entry form. The running community was smaller back then and everyone knew everyone else so cheating to get an edge wasn't possible. It was a fun race. Runners with the greater handicaps were sent out in order. If you were a middle of the pack runner you'd hit the finish with some of the really fast ones. |
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plpjap
USA
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Posted - May 07 2012 : 18:13:09
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Boy...this topic is bringing back a lot of good memories. We probably had over 20 members at the peak of our Chautauqua Cty Running club. A mix of older a younger runners of all abilities. Bob Carrol and Willie Bauza could run a 10K back then in under 32 while most were average runners. In 1976, one of the members found out there was a 10K in Ohio (I believe it was in Canton) where Frank Shorter and Bill Rogers were running. Someone said "Let's go". There were probably 14 - 15 of us who went in 3 cars. We rented one hotel room so the floor was packed with sleeping bags. It also meant one bathroom...one toilet for 15 pre race dumps. Nobody could have slept more than 2 or 3 hours between the talking, laughing, snoring, gas passing that went on but we were all eager to race next morning. There were a few thousand runners and I was determined to wedge up to the front near Shorter and Rogers. I spotted them in front and packed myself in a couple rows behind them.
Both had recently qualified for the 1976 Montreal Olympics representing the US. I don't think I ever ran a race with so many spectators watching a race since Shorter was the 1972 Olympic gold medal winner and Rogers had won the Boston Marathon a year earlier setting an American record. They were using this race as an Olympic tuneup run (they both crossed the finish line in a dead heat in first place in just under or just over 30 minutes...can't recall...but probably talking the whole race).
I was hardly the fastest in our club but back then I could run a 35 minute 10K. I said "what the heck...when is this opportunity going to come again" and took off at the gun. I could barely feel my feet hit the ground and sprinted out with the leaders for the first 1/4 mile. I took a quick glance to my right, and 3 feet off my right shoulder was Frank Shorter and right next to him was Bill Rogers. I smiled..cursing to myself that no one from our club brought anyone to take photos. Would love to have blown that photo up and framed. I could tell my grandkids today..."yeah...back in the day when I used to compete against Frank Shorter and Bill Rogers...blah blah blah...ha. Of course I quickly dropped off the pace but that is still my running career highlight. Shorter ended up winning the Olympic silver medal that year and, although Rogers failed to win an Olympic medal, he did win the New York City Marathon later that same year. |
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Jeff
USA
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Posted - May 08 2012 : 10:23:41
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Wow! Great vintage race report Paul! Thanks for sharing that.
JJ
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mcgoo
USA
340 Posts |
Posted - May 08 2012 : 13:14:10
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| Does anyone recall the Broadway Market 2 Mile "Turkey Trot" that was run for several years on the Saturday following Thanksgiving and the TT? It was an out-and-back around an orange cone on Broadway. I can't recall what year it was exactly (it was between 1975-1977), but one year the race was held in a blizzard and Mike Wyatt, formerly of St. Joe's and at the time at UPenn I believe, won going away, with time in the low 9:00s. They gave watches for awards that year. That was a really fun race. |
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Bob K.
USA
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Posted - May 08 2012 : 14:22:29
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| Hey plpjap! That reminds me of a similar situation. I ran the Crim 10 miler one year and somehow ended up in the first corral. I found myself standing next to the great Kenyan masters runner Simon Karori. I was scared to death. He eyeballed me and then the gun went off. We took off like a shot and about a quarter mile into the race he turned to me and said in broken English "are you going to pace me?" Right then I looked at him and dropped back like I was attached to an anchor. Took me 2 miles to recover. |
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